* @ TSJ
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Love seeing someone else thinking, writing and working on what this old media/new media convergence is all about. Quicker than I think we all realize, it’s just going to be “media” and we’re going to drop the “new”.
* @ JL
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T. I wholeheartedly agree. In fact, I would argue we reached that point long ago. Sadly, I secured this domain a couple of years ago LOL
* @ FJP
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@ TSJ
Someone at a recent PRSA meeting stated exactly what you said here…
“Quicker than I think we all realize, it’s just going to be “media” and we’re going to drop the “new”.” (Jump, 2009)
Which is BOTH good and bad news, perhaps? as companies currently cutting back actually rehire people to “staff” these new-ly “figured out” posts?
Won’t be the first time that we realize that with all the expediency, all we did was create more work (read: complications!)
… apropos, there was a quote on Twitter about this… BRB…
@ FJP
[STATES FURTHER]
[GETS THAT ANNOYING 'MOBY DICK' ERROR MESSAGE]
Well… is this what will make Google Wave feasible, BTW?
[CHUCKLES] …
I’ll come back to it later, it was pretty apropos ‘expediency’; which we all know sometimes drives some pretty in-congruent business decisions, right?
* @ TSJ
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@ FJP
Francisco, I think though that the most important take away for all “media types” is to be able to embrace the change. Look at Jim. He could be pigeonholed as a cameraman but he’s embracing and expanding his skill set - which will make him highly marketable as/when video is no longer is relegated to just tv screens.
It’s similar to what many newspaper journalist had to realize and had to adapt to the idea of now being bloggers…and videographers…and not just writers. Those who couldn’t adapt to the 24/7 news cycle got left in the dust, unfortunately.

Gotta Embrace it... or ELSE!
Granted, the biggest bugaboo is how in beejesus are we going to monetize all this content that people now expect to get for free…but I’ll leave that to the finance guys. I’m just a PR Grrl these days.
And Twitter is being a pain today. I’ve gotten the Fail Whale more times that I care to mention.
* @ FJP
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@ TSJ
This part? hits VERY close to home, actually!
“It’s similar to what many newspaper journalist had to realize and had to adapt to the idea of now being bloggers…and videographers…and not just writers. Those who couldn’t adapt to the 24/7 news cycle got left in the dust, unfortunately.” (Jump, 2009)
Sadly, what Luddites in any era NEVER appear to get, is that all that fear and distaste for the ‘new’ is actually just the aggregation of ALL their ‘old’ gripes… meaning, what is a software application but the embodiment of what many thought was WRONG with a process?… and in the lucky cases, an app not only embodies those ‘complaints’ about ‘what could be done’ but in many cases, it automatically/naturally forces the users to immediately think about NEWER and FASTER ways to do the processes in question, ONCE they’ve been automatized?
(yeah, it’s the IT guy in me doin’ the talking, I know)

Gotta learn what you gotta learn - and unlearn it, too!
Bottom line? in most EVERY area, said “embracing and expanding” of one’s skillset is not only necessary, but a requirement – for survival.
[THUMBS UP!]
Excellent points, keep ‘em comin’!
* @ FJP
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@ TSJ
… and yeah, about that ‘bugaboo’ about monetization? just take a peek at Hulu… personally? I am thinking of ways to hook up my 52″ screen to a decent computer, as what would be better than to have my HD properly managed within a Website?
… and we all thought that Flash was meant to build little banners and pretty skyscrapers…
[SNICKERS]
… so do they want to run an ad? be my guest, you ARE still fulfilling the same old promise of giving me ‘valuable’ content/entertainment… and more, as I’m now able to play with it, comment it, share it, and ‘regurgitate’ it, ad nauseam!
Final thought, though? I was involved with Ad Sales & Traffic Apps for a while, and fortunately I can say that the ‘current’ state of the industry has us pretty close to the point where said monetization WILL occur, as what was ‘missing’ were the tracking tools…
[GRINS]
Ad Sense, meet an Automation Player!

... Converging and converging, at a monitor near you!
[SO LATER ON... THE THREAD CONTINUED!]
* @ TSJ
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@FJP
You make some excellent observations…do you think Jim minds us co-opting his FB post?
“just take a peek at Hulu… personally? I am thinking of ways to hook up my 52″ screen to a decent computer, as what would be better than to have my HD properly managed within a Website?”
Absolutely! That’s the amazing convergence that is happening right before our eyes. A computer… is a tv…is a computer. I wonder who will “own the space” though? Will it be Apple? Will it be Google? My money isn’t on the big tv giants like NBC or ABC…I think they’ve missed the boat and the ship is sailing away without them.
It’s funny – this was what cable was supposed to have been 15 -20 years ago. But they never delivered on the promise. Leave it to the IT guys to figure it all out and make it happen!
The metrics part of monetization is very interesting. From a PR perspective, there are many parallels. I am now tweeting and FB-ing for my organization and initially, there was a sense that I was just goofing off. It’s hard to justify from a metrics perspective on “earned media hits” but PR people have to embrace the social media tools, too, because we’re watching our traditional methods of PR outreach erode.
The old method of pitching to a reporter or a traditional press release is starting to unravel as reporters are being let go. We still have a message and a pitch but we are using new tools to get it across – all online.
It’s niche and it’s hard to measure its effectiveness but again, you have to embrace it because, honestly, this is where the audience is these days! Twitter alone grew over 1000% between Jan and Feb of this year!

We are all in THIS together, indeed!
* @ JL
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I LOVE co-opting other folks FB posts! hehe now i do wish that this conversation took place on my blog. But this simply demonstrates that you can’t force people to have conversations where you are. You have to meet them where THEY are.
* @ JL
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@ TSJ
And Tricia, by no means are you JUST a PR grrrl
* @ TSJ
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@ JL
JL, I *heart* these conversations because they bring together such a wide audience of computer folks, media types, pr people, writers, journalists, filmmakers…we are are feeling the change, aren’t we?

Gotta luv 'em!
(and next time this will be going on your blog!)
[SO OF COURSE... I HAD TO SHARE THIS WITH THEM BOTH!]
* @ FJP
@ TSJ
Echo, Echo… and now that we now we are ‘welcome’ here… well… comment on!
One?
“It’s hard to justify from a metrics perspective on “earned media hits” (Jump, 2009)
Personally, in the little time that I spent on TV, I ended up feeling that most everyone shared a ‘secret’ of mistrusting those Nielsen numbers; not to belittle them, but we three know that nowadays they are able to MINE these for keywords, and KNOW exactly who the people behind the message(s) are… so what’s to stop them from telling the sponsors that their message WAS somewhere, when they finally have some ‘harder’ metrics to rely on?
That the sponsors have wisened up and realized that they can run some of these ‘media’ operations on their own? no doubt about it… yet, as we become more and more refined on our ‘acquired taste’ of Social Media, well, we will see the proverbial return of those savvy professionals, now finally convinced that these are bona-fide channels, and well, that there’s such a thing as a ‘Professional Blogger…”
Two?
“We still have a message and a pitch but we are using new tools to get it across – all online.” (ibid)… Why do we love Google? it’s all about HARD data… anyone here ever used their “Ad Words” system… where a WORD is worth COLD HARD cash as it is measured SECOND BY SECOND and BID on by those who “want” it?…
… so when we compare a Nielsen box, whose process dates back to the days of Mad Men, and the Google “Algorithm” (which BTW, relies on hordes of people to work, trust me on that one too!) which one will the advertisers prefer?
Personally it’s more an issue of mindset versus unlearning; meaning, it does take a bit of pain to let go of the old metrics, we all made money with them, so to ‘unlearn’ the tried and true processes not only affects a point of view, but the systems that were built on those premises/paradigms… which is not only expensive, but SLOW in most cases…
That said, do we have a CHOICE?… don’t think so!
[GRINS!]
Finally, stay tuned for a tag to the two of you… I think I have a surprise for Jim to post!… BRB!
* …. So then I proceeded to get their input on whether or not to post… take a listen to their reaction!
* [@FJP 2 @JL]
Hiya Jim!… Whaddayathink?… and yeah, onlyYOU can see it (and TSJ, if she accepts my friend request)…
I have done a few of these on my blog before, taking out names and doing a bit of formatting… well, IMHO? if you read them HERE, why not READ (and monetize? disseminate? retweet?) them OVER THERE?
Feel free to “pluck” the text for your own use; or let me know, it’s on an Outlook Draft ready to be sent, I can forward it to you, etc, etc… … Leer más
Bottom line? I think we CAN repurpose these discussions… as you said, they ARE for REAL, aren’t they?
Saludos!
* [@JL 2 FP]
Francisco, I LOVE it! I think it’s terrific when spontaneous conversation happens
* [@FJP 2 JL]
Great!
Looking forward to the blog entry, then!
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* [@FJP 2 @TSJ]
@ TSJ
Whaddayathink? readable enough to go out and get us some hits?
(;OD)~
* [@TSJ 2 FJP]
Absolutely! We are blog-worthy!
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* [@FJP 2 JL]
Jim? You go first?
Want the text via e-mail? lemme know!
… so while I wait for Jim, I decided to post… as I have a couple more of these “Wall Near You” in the queue!… let’s see how they happen to come out!
[REMEMBERS WHERE THE WHOLE THING STARTED!]
… and yeah… last but NOT least… here’s the address to Jim Long’s Blog!… wait… actually, here’s the “catalyst” that got us talkin’!
* Re-launching my blog which has been gathering dust. Stop by and leave a comment! http://vergenewmedia.com